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Who Robbed Roger Moore?

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2021.12.03 01:59 mawdrynn Who Robbed Roger Moore?

Who Robbed Roger Moore? Like so many stories about the Oklahoma City bombing, there are multiple versions of what happened during the November 5, 1994 robbery of Roger Moore. Roger Moore, also known by the name Bob Miller, met McVeigh at a gun show in south Florida in January 1993. They stayed in touch as they worked the gun show circuit throughout the country.
McVeigh was friendly with both Roger and his wife, Karen Anderson, who lived together part of the year on 10 acres of land near Hot Springs, Arkansas. Anderson was at a gun show in Louisiana on the morning of the robbery. Almost nothing of Karen’s was taken except for a .308 rifle with a custom stock and a checkered black-and-white K-mart bedspread used to carry the stolen items out from the house.
Approximately $60,000-$65,000 was stolen from Roger Moore during the robbery: $12,000 in cash, 15 handguns, 70 long rifles, two .50 caliber sniper rifles, ammunition, 200-250 precious jewels, pre-Columbian jade, tiki dolls, one videocamera, two Minolta cameras with flash and tripods, a Minolta lens kit with two telephoto lenses, and $10,000 in gold and silver coins. The thief also stole Moore’s van, which was later found abandoned.
Around 9:15 on the morning of November 5th, Moore was held at gunpoint after stepping outside to feed the geese. Moore testified that he saw “a horrible picture, a man dressed with camouflage, with a black ski mask, carrying a pistol-grip shotgun aimed right at my face.”
The assailant also wore combat boots and gloves and brandished a pistol-grip shotgun. He blindfolded Moore and bound him with duct tape. The man mentioned an accomplice, but Moore only saw one person on his property. Moore described the single assailant as a “gringo with a suntan”, standing 5’10” to 5’11”, weighing 165-185 pounds and having a stocky, muscular build.
So who robbed Roger Moore?
Timothy McVeigh
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Moore did suspect McVeigh, who had been to his home on three occasions and would have been familiar with the layout of the property, but said he knew definitively that the assailant was not McVeigh. Moore told investigators that although he heard McVeigh was in Ohio on the day of the robbery, he believed McVeigh was smart enough to send someone else to do the job. “Tim really stands out in a crowd and there’s no mistaking him.”
In addition to not fitting Moore’s physical description of the assailant, McVeigh had an alibi — he checked into the Knights Inn motel in Kent, Ohio on November 4. From November 5-6, McVeigh was working a table at the Niles Gun Show.
McVeigh did obtain blasting caps for the Murrah bomb in the robbery (and may have even obtained other components from Moore, as Nichols later implicated Moore as a co-conspirator who provided materials). McVeigh was mysterious about his connections to “Bob in Arkansas”. His own defense team learned that Bob Miller was actually a man named Roger Moore not from McVeigh himself, but from two Detroit journalists.
Terry Nichols
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McVeigh and Terry Nichols have both claimed that Nichols was the perpetrator of the Moore robbery. Nichols was 5’9” and weighed 160 pounds at the time. Nichols always wore his glasses and did not have facial hair (Moore described the assailant as having some facial hair and a strong odor).
Nichols claimed “On November 1, 1994, McVeigh approached me about robbing Moore. Initially, I refused. McVeigh threatened to harm both me and my family if I did not rob Roger Moore. McVeigh then went in to great detail about the case with which the robbery would be carried out. He says that ‘it will be much easier than you think. Moore will be like a kitten and will give you absolutely no trouble at all — just trust me.’ At this point I said ‘If it is that easy, then why don’t you do it yourself instead of the two of us?’ McVeigh then said: ‘You’re going to be doing it by yourself. I will be in New York with an alibi and since Roger doesn’t know you, any investigation will come to an end.’ Instead of New York, I later discovered that McVeigh’s alibi would be his presence at a gun show in Ohio when the robbery took place.”
Nichols claimed McVeigh gave him information about Moore’s schedule and home along with the target date of November 5, 1994. Shortly after the robbery, Nichols mailed Tim $2,000 in $100 bills and rented a storage unit where he stored, among other items, a black ski mask.
In a search of the Nichols’ home, investigators found a safe-deposit box key taken during the robbery (Nichols claimed it belonged to McVeigh), along with some of the guns. Nichols later claimed that the Kinestik found at his Herington, Kansas home also came from Moore’s property.
McVeigh provided around 20-25 guns from the robbery to Michael Fortier to resell at gun shows. Fortier testified that McVeigh told him “Terry had did Bob” and warned him to watch his back. Fortier went on to describe what McVeigh told him about the robbery: "He told me that Terry had parked his vehicle on this dirt road near Bob's house and he had to travel through some woods to get to Bob's house and that Terry had hidden behind — this man named Bob's shed or garage, I'm not sure which. And when Bob came out in the morning, Terry confronted him. Terry had a shotgun, and Terry ordered Bob to go back inside the house, and he tied him up and put all Bob's weapons into Bob's van. He said that during this time, Terry got tired and had to untie Bob and have him help him, and he retied Bob up and got inside the van and drove to where his truck was and unloaded the weapons and then drove away.”
Michael Brescia
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Elohim City leader Robert Millar told journalist J.D. Cash that Brescia assisted with the robbery of Roger Moore. David Paul Hammer, an inmate serving time on Death Row with McVeigh, gave reporter Mark Hamm a list of names that supposedly came from McVeigh himself. The list consisted of “Richard Lee Guthrie, Peter Langan, Scott Stedeford, Mark Thomas, Michael Brescia, Shawn Kenney, Elohim City, OK compound, the Aryan Republican Army.”
One of the Aryan Republican Army’s (ARA) goals was to fund domestic terrorism. McVeigh certainly had a passing awareness of the ARA/Midwest Bank bandits, and it’s possible that he may have even participated in some of their bank robberies.
Brescia was 5’9” and weighed 175 pounds (and generally fits the description of John Doe No. 2). David Paul Hammer alleges that Richard Guthrie and Michael Brescia both may have been the perpetrators of the robbery, though Roger Moore only saw one man.
Richard Lee Guthrie, Jr
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Richard Guthrie — a professional armed robber with Navy SEAL training — was in Arkansas at the time of the robbery. Guthrie was 5’7”, weighed 170-185 pounds, and frequently donned a moustache. There are some indications (from both McVeigh and Moore) that the Arkansas robbery was meant to be a murder, and Guthrie is the only man on this list with experience as a hired killer.
McVeigh knew Guthrie from the gun show circuit (they first met in February 1994). ARA leader Peter Langan said in an interview from prison that Guthrie was the one who robbed Roger Moore. They may have surveilled Moore’s home together on two separate occasions, and Langan could give no alibi for Guthrie during their time in Arkansas.
At the time of his January 15, 1996 arrest, Guthrie had among his possessions a driver’s license bearing the alias “Robert Miller” (the same alias that Roger Moore used on the gun show circuit). Guthrie killed himself after his arrest, without ever testifying about the Aryan Republican Army’s involvement in the Oklahoma City bombing.
Roger Moore
Did the 1994 robbery even take place? Various version of the story have been told by Roger Moore himself. The defense counsel for Terry Nichols alleged that Moore may have lied about the robbery in an insurance scheme. Details about the value of what was taken vary, along with details about the crime itself. To some people, Moore claimed the robber fired his shotgun once, but to others, he claimed the gun never went off. In some accounts, his dog barks.
In his testimony for the Nichols’ trial, Moore said he knew the robber was a “professional killer”. Though he couldn’t identify him “in any way, shape or form,” Moore did know for sure that McVeigh was not the assailant. Moore suspected McVeigh’s involvement not just because of his inside knowledge of certain hidden items — Moore and McVeigh had gotten into an argument during a Soldier of Fortune gun show in Las Vegas.
At other times, Moore claimed the federal government was behind the crime. Some sources have even said that Roger Moore himself was a government agent or informant who may have facilitated McVeigh meeting various extremist characters.
There is a great deal of speculation regarding who actually robbed Roger Moore on November 5, 1994, much of which cannot be verified. Do you believe the story McVeigh told to Michael Fortier and his lawyers? Or do you think there is another culprit to consider beyond McVeigh and Nichols, implications of a larger criminal conspiracy?
Who do you think committed the crime?
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